[MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic! really! well sort of.

[Robert Tchia]

Hehe, his evil twin?  ;p

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-
> melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Matt Pearce
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 11:39 PM
> To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> really! well sort of.
> 
> Someone is starting to sound like steve gibson ( www.grc.com ) with
> regards
> to TCP / IP stacks :-)
> 
> Matt.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin" <littlejuz at optusnet.com.au>
> To: "Nath" <nathp at optushome.com.au>; <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:30 PM
> Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> really!
> well sort of.
> 
> 
> > Ahh.... it's all making sense now. MS never had a full TCP/IP stack
like
> > unix etc, so you could not do nasty things like DDOS attacks with
> spoofed
> > source IPs. Now MS has included a full TCP/IP stack so that people
can
> do
> > spoofed source DDOS attacks which then gives MS the chance to say
that
> > TCP/IP needs to be fixed to stop this from happening.....and just
look
> we
> > have the solution.
> >
> >  So, create the problem then offer the solution to fix it that locks
> people
> > in to your product.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gaz.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Nath
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 7:19 PM
> > To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> > really! well sort of.
> >
> >
> > Microsoft has already had a go at a proprietary protocol.. ever
heard of
> > NetBEUI ? well, that was microsofts semi successful attempt at a
> proprietary
> > protocol. notice how its been phased out of windows XP? though that
> article
> > brings up a good point about exploitable TCP/IP stacks. until XP
> microsoft
> > had never fully implemented the TCP/IP stack... but who can see the
> whole
> > internet crashing because of windows having a real TCP/IP stack
finally?
> > nuff my crap.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Tchia" <robert.tchia at palantir.com.au>
> > To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:49 PM
> > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true
> >
> >
> > > Don't know if there is any truth in it, but...
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert X. Cringely is easily one of the most well-written and
> > > shockingly intelligent columnists I've ever read. His latest
column
> > > takes on Palladium, and it sure made me do a double-take.
Microsoft
> > > releasing a proprietary version of TCP/IP? Oh my - smells like
trouble
> > > to me! Go check out the article - very interesting stuff.
> > >
> > > "Last August, I wrote of a rumor that Microsoft wanted to replace
> > > TCP/IP with a proprietary protocol -- a protocol owned by
Microsoft --
> > > that it would tout as being more secure. Actually, the new
protocol
> > > would likely be TCP/IP with some of the reserved fields used as
> > > pointers to proprietary extensions, quite similar to Vines IP, if
you
> > > remember that product from Banyan Systems. I called it TCP/MS in
the
> > > column. How do you push for the acceptance of such a protocol?
First,
> > > make the old one unworkable by placing millions of exploitable
TCP/IP
> > > stacks out on the Net, ready-to-use by any teenage sociopath. When
the
> > > Net slows or crashes, the blame would not be assigned to
Microsoft.
> > > Then ship the new protocol with every new copy of Windows, and
install
> > > it with every Windows Update over the Internet. Zero to 100
million
> > > copies could happen in less than a year.
> > >
> > > This week, Microsoft announced Palladium through an exclusive
story in
> > > Newsweek written by Steven Levy, who ought to have known better.
> > > Palladium is the code name for a Microsoft project to make all
> > > Internet communication safer by essentially pasting a digital
> > > certificate on every application, message, byte, and machine on
the
> > > Net, then encrypting the data EVEN INSIDE YOUR COMPUTER PROCESSOR.
> > > Palladium compatible hardware (presumably chipsets and
motherboards)
> > > will come from both AMD and Intel, and the software will, of
course,
> > > come from Microsoft. That software is what I had dubbed TCP/MS.
> > >
> > > The point of all this is simple. It may actually make the Internet
> > > somewhat safer. But the real purpose of this stuff, I fear, is to
take
> > > technology owned by nobody (TCP/IP) and replace it with technology
> > > owned by Redmond. That's taking the Internet and turning it into
MSN.
> > > Oh, and we'll all have to buy new computers.
> > >
> > > This is diabolical. If Microsoft is successful, Palladium will
give
> > > Bill Gates a piece of every transaction of any type while at the
same
> > > time marginalizing the work of any competitor who doesn't choose
to be
> > > Palladium-compliant. So much for Linux and Open Source, but it
goes
> > > even further than that. So much for Apple and the Macintosh. It's
a
> > > militarized network architecture only Dick Cheney could love."
> > >
> > > <http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html>
> > >
> > > Taken from... Pocket PC Thoughts
> > > (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1899)
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