[MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic! really! well sort of.

[Matt Pearce]

maybe the eviler of them both !!

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Tchia" <robert.tchia at palantir.com.au>
To: "'Matt Pearce'" <mattpearce at optushome.com.au>;
<melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic! really!
well sort of.


> Hehe, his evil twin?  ;p
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au [mailto:owner-
> > melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Matt Pearce
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 11:39 PM
> > To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> > really! well sort of.
> >
> > Someone is starting to sound like steve gibson ( www.grc.com ) with
> > regards
> > to TCP / IP stacks :-)
> >
> > Matt.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Justin" <littlejuz at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: "Nath" <nathp at optushome.com.au>; <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> > really!
> > well sort of.
> >
> >
> > > Ahh.... it's all making sense now. MS never had a full TCP/IP stack
> like
> > > unix etc, so you could not do nasty things like DDOS attacks with
> > spoofed
> > > source IPs. Now MS has included a full TCP/IP stack so that people
> can
> > do
> > > spoofed source DDOS attacks which then gives MS the chance to say
> that
> > > TCP/IP needs to be fixed to stop this from happening.....and just
> look
> > we
> > > have the solution.
> > >
> > >  So, create the problem then offer the solution to fix it that locks
> > people
> > > in to your product.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Gaz.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > > [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Nath
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 7:19 PM
> > > To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> > > really! well sort of.
> > >
> > >
> > > Microsoft has already had a go at a proprietary protocol.. ever
> heard of
> > > NetBEUI ? well, that was microsofts semi successful attempt at a
> > proprietary
> > > protocol. notice how its been phased out of windows XP? though that
> > article
> > > brings up a good point about exploitable TCP/IP stacks. until XP
> > microsoft
> > > had never fully implemented the TCP/IP stack... but who can see the
> > whole
> > > internet crashing because of windows having a real TCP/IP stack
> finally?
> > > nuff my crap.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Robert Tchia" <robert.tchia at palantir.com.au>
> > > To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:49 PM
> > > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't know if there is any truth in it, but...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Robert X. Cringely is easily one of the most well-written and
> > > > shockingly intelligent columnists I've ever read. His latest
> column
> > > > takes on Palladium, and it sure made me do a double-take.
> Microsoft
> > > > releasing a proprietary version of TCP/IP? Oh my - smells like
> trouble
> > > > to me! Go check out the article - very interesting stuff.
> > > >
> > > > "Last August, I wrote of a rumor that Microsoft wanted to replace
> > > > TCP/IP with a proprietary protocol -- a protocol owned by
> Microsoft --
> > > > that it would tout as being more secure. Actually, the new
> protocol
> > > > would likely be TCP/IP with some of the reserved fields used as
> > > > pointers to proprietary extensions, quite similar to Vines IP, if
> you
> > > > remember that product from Banyan Systems. I called it TCP/MS in
> the
> > > > column. How do you push for the acceptance of such a protocol?
> First,
> > > > make the old one unworkable by placing millions of exploitable
> TCP/IP
> > > > stacks out on the Net, ready-to-use by any teenage sociopath. When
> the
> > > > Net slows or crashes, the blame would not be assigned to
> Microsoft.
> > > > Then ship the new protocol with every new copy of Windows, and
> install
> > > > it with every Windows Update over the Internet. Zero to 100
> million
> > > > copies could happen in less than a year.
> > > >
> > > > This week, Microsoft announced Palladium through an exclusive
> story in
> > > > Newsweek written by Steven Levy, who ought to have known better.
> > > > Palladium is the code name for a Microsoft project to make all
> > > > Internet communication safer by essentially pasting a digital
> > > > certificate on every application, message, byte, and machine on
> the
> > > > Net, then encrypting the data EVEN INSIDE YOUR COMPUTER PROCESSOR.
> > > > Palladium compatible hardware (presumably chipsets and
> motherboards)
> > > > will come from both AMD and Intel, and the software will, of
> course,
> > > > come from Microsoft. That software is what I had dubbed TCP/MS.
> > > >
> > > > The point of all this is simple. It may actually make the Internet
> > > > somewhat safer. But the real purpose of this stuff, I fear, is to
> take
> > > > technology owned by nobody (TCP/IP) and replace it with technology
> > > > owned by Redmond. That's taking the Internet and turning it into
> MSN.
> > > > Oh, and we'll all have to buy new computers.
> > > >
> > > > This is diabolical. If Microsoft is successful, Palladium will
> give
> > > > Bill Gates a piece of every transaction of any type while at the
> same
> > > > time marginalizing the work of any competitor who doesn't choose
> to be
> > > > Palladium-compliant. So much for Linux and Open Source, but it
> goes
> > > > even further than that. So much for Apple and the Macintosh. It's
> a
> > > > militarized network architecture only Dick Cheney could love."
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html>
> > > >
> > > > Taken from... Pocket PC Thoughts
> > > > (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1899)
> > > >
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