[MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic! really! well sort of.

[Matt Pearce]

Someone is starting to sound like steve gibson ( www.grc.com ) with regards
to TCP / IP stacks :-)

Matt.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin" <littlejuz at optusnet.com.au>
To: "Nath" <nathp at optushome.com.au>; <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:30 PM
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic! really!
well sort of.


> Ahh.... it's all making sense now. MS never had a full TCP/IP stack like
> unix etc, so you could not do nasty things like DDOS attacks with spoofed
> source IPs. Now MS has included a full TCP/IP stack so that people can do
> spoofed source DDOS attacks which then gives MS the chance to say that
> TCP/IP needs to be fixed to stop this from happening.....and just look we
> have the solution.
>
>  So, create the problem then offer the solution to fix it that locks
people
> in to your product.
>
> Regards,
> Gaz.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Nath
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 7:19 PM
> To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true <-- on topic!
> really! well sort of.
>
>
> Microsoft has already had a go at a proprietary protocol.. ever heard of
> NetBEUI ? well, that was microsofts semi successful attempt at a
proprietary
> protocol. notice how its been phased out of windows XP? though that
article
> brings up a good point about exploitable TCP/IP stacks. until XP microsoft
> had never fully implemented the TCP/IP stack... but who can see the whole
> internet crashing because of windows having a real TCP/IP stack finally?
> nuff my crap.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Tchia" <robert.tchia at palantir.com.au>
> To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:49 PM
> Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] This is scary if it's true
>
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> > Don't know if there is any truth in it, but...
> >
> >
> > Robert X. Cringely is easily one of the most well-written and
> > shockingly intelligent columnists I've ever read. His latest column
> > takes on Palladium, and it sure made me do a double-take. Microsoft
> > releasing a proprietary version of TCP/IP? Oh my - smells like trouble
> > to me! Go check out the article - very interesting stuff.
> >
> > "Last August, I wrote of a rumor that Microsoft wanted to replace
> > TCP/IP with a proprietary protocol -- a protocol owned by Microsoft --
> > that it would tout as being more secure. Actually, the new protocol
> > would likely be TCP/IP with some of the reserved fields used as
> > pointers to proprietary extensions, quite similar to Vines IP, if you
> > remember that product from Banyan Systems. I called it TCP/MS in the
> > column. How do you push for the acceptance of such a protocol? First,
> > make the old one unworkable by placing millions of exploitable TCP/IP
> > stacks out on the Net, ready-to-use by any teenage sociopath. When the
> > Net slows or crashes, the blame would not be assigned to Microsoft.
> > Then ship the new protocol with every new copy of Windows, and install
> > it with every Windows Update over the Internet. Zero to 100 million
> > copies could happen in less than a year.
> >
> > This week, Microsoft announced Palladium through an exclusive story in
> > Newsweek written by Steven Levy, who ought to have known better.
> > Palladium is the code name for a Microsoft project to make all
> > Internet communication safer by essentially pasting a digital
> > certificate on every application, message, byte, and machine on the
> > Net, then encrypting the data EVEN INSIDE YOUR COMPUTER PROCESSOR.
> > Palladium compatible hardware (presumably chipsets and motherboards)
> > will come from both AMD and Intel, and the software will, of course,
> > come from Microsoft. That software is what I had dubbed TCP/MS.
> >
> > The point of all this is simple. It may actually make the Internet
> > somewhat safer. But the real purpose of this stuff, I fear, is to take
> > technology owned by nobody (TCP/IP) and replace it with technology
> > owned by Redmond. That's taking the Internet and turning it into MSN.
> > Oh, and we'll all have to buy new computers.
> >
> > This is diabolical. If Microsoft is successful, Palladium will give
> > Bill Gates a piece of every transaction of any type while at the same
> > time marginalizing the work of any competitor who doesn't choose to be
> > Palladium-compliant. So much for Linux and Open Source, but it goes
> > even further than that. So much for Apple and the Macintosh. It's a
> > militarized network architecture only Dick Cheney could love."
> >
> > <http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20020627.html>
> >
> > Taken from... Pocket PC Thoughts
> > (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1899)
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