[MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network

[rick]

i dont remeber saying ban vpn's craig, but my node is for community wireless
and community projects, if a comunity project asked me to use one of my
nodes for thru project i would say yes, if a IT company wanting to do
something on the cheap and wants to pay me for my troubles i would say no,
so far i know everyone who is linked to my part of the mesh, we all have
varieing ideas but we would never step on eachothers toes just so one person
could make a buck.

people who run small busniess's is one thing, companies are another, and
each to there own, melbourne is a wireless community, no one says people
have to follow rules, we dont even have guidelines, the commitee isnt a rule
body its a bunch of people that just run the meetings and keep things
happening. and if you want to use your link for commersial usage then YAY
you, just remember the network doesnt belong to anyone it belongs to a bunch
of individuals who can pickup there bat and ball when ever they like, and if
they dont want commercial traffic thru there nodes no one can make them.

freedom of choice and point of view.


let them eat cake!

rick

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Ryan Abbenhuys
Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 6:53 PM
To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network


I was thinking more along the lines of it being obvious if there were say
several large corporate office buildings linking into the network.  Or a few
Bunnings warehouses, that sort of thing.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Sanders" <cas at taz.net.au>
To: "'Melbourne Wireless'" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Commercial use of MW network


> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 09:07:04PM +1100, rick wrote:
> > from what i understand as well which has been coverd is if we let people
use
> > it and they are a profit making company, then we get fined a stupid
amount of
> > money or we get a carrier licence for 10k per year which we lose as soon
as
> > someone sends pirated files or goes to 4.01 watts
> >
> > im not putting cash towards a carrier licence and if a vpn tunnel went
thru
> > my link for a commercial gain company then i would start up a community
> > wireless group in melbourne like the one i thought i was already in
>
> while i certainly don't think that community networks should be open for
> exploitation by companies (or anyone else for that matter), there is
something
> quite disturbing about this extreme attitude.
>
> for one thing, how can you tell if any VPN traffic is commercial or not?
> without decrypting it, you can't.  that doesn't mean that VPN's should be
> prohibited from MW, though (if they are, then all my gear is for sale
> immediately - i want to be able to communicate securely with anyone on the
> network who is capable of decent encryption.  in particular, i want a
secure
> link to my friend's house through the MW network.  while i have no
particularly
> security-sensitive data, the thought of plain-text broadcast transmissions
of
> files, emails, chat, etc just horrifies me.  it's wrong)
>
>
> another disturbing thing about this attitude is that it reminds me of
exactly
> what was wrong with Fidonet and similar networks back in the 1980s and
early
> 90s.  instead of seeing the network-as-a-whole as a valuable entity in
itself,
> every node operator just thought of their own little node and enforced
whatever
> arbitrary policies he/she liked on the data that crossed their node (e.g.
many
> nodes explicitly reserved the "right" to read and/or censor any private
mail
> passing through their system).   this basically meant that there was no
private
> mail on the network, so a valuable facility went (mostly) unused.
>
>
>
> > Community wireless, lets keep it for the community
>
> yeah, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
>
> craig
>
>
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