[MLB-WIRELESS] Resignation

Sun Mar 17 12:11:28 EST 2002

Tyson,
Whlist I've not been involved in this wireless group for long, and have yet
to make it to a meeting, it has been obvious that someone somewhere was
going some organising. Thank you. What we very much need to do is to get
this on to a more formal footing. My suggestions of what we need to acheive
in the short term are:

* An elected committee comprising a President / Chairman, a Secretary, and a
Treasurer. More would be welcome, but that would be the minimum to carry out
the 3 required roles.

* We also need a formal contact point. That means a name (like the
secretary), address (snail mail) and other contact info if possible

* A club membership list, which implys someone to run it, and a formal
membership application process (ie each member must provide a name and
address etc.) so we can define WHO the group is.

Down the track we MIGHT want to:

* organise subcommittees who have a special function such as organising IP
addressing.
* get a bank account
* associate our group with other similar groups or have geographicly
organised chapters - Geelong springs to mind
* incorporate as a non profit organization (which protects all members in
various ways)
* arrange public liability insurance
* lots of other stuff.........

I also agree with a number of comments about "getting on with it" and I
don't encourage excessive organisational bull. BUT some is necessary.

I'd also like to put forward Tyson Clugg as a nominee to the committee
position of President / Chairman.

rgds,
Bryce

PS I have no problem with the committee having regular meetings away from
club meetings to organise whatever, but I'd suggest that all members be
notified via this list, just in case they wish to attend.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au [mailto:Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au]
Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 04:03
To: clae13 at yahoo.com; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Resignation

I apologize to everyone in the group.

I have been trying VERY HARD to please lots of people.
I, like others, am getting stressed.
Tempers have been running very high.
In the previous week, the list has seen more posts regarding organisational
issues than technical ones.
We all want roughly the same things, we disagree on how we should achieve
this.
Nobody can please everyone all of the time.

Some things do not just happen, there is a "group" of us working together to
get things happening, we have loosely referred to ourselves as a
"committee".
This "group" typically communicates off list.
This "group" is formed of people that have been constructive and
communicative at the meetings, that is people who have approached myself and
others and been pro-active in getting things done.
The pro-active part is especially relevant.  Activities carried out include:
* Running the current server - which includes web pages, mailing lists, node
maps, etc.
* Building the new server, to cope with the exponential growth experienced
by the group.
* Sourcing bandwidth and hardware to run the servers.
* Finding a suitable venue for our monthly meeting.
* Communicating with external entities, such as the press, government and
others.
* Running the monthly meetings.
* Documenting what we do, like the RFC.

I have raised the issue of voting for a committee numerous times on this
list.
Every time I raise the issue, I get flamed.
The issue won't go away until we have a committee.
The group can't run itself, someone needs to organise things.  Melb-Wireless
does not have a committee, yet the meetings still go ahead.

I apologise for being human.  I have my flaws like everyone else.  I have
been doing my best at helping Melb-Wireless rise to a level that we can all
hopefully be proud of.  I am not alone in my efforts.

If you have ANY questions regarding how things have been happening, who has
been doing what, what is planned for the future, then all you need to do is
ASK.  We WILL reply truthfully and honestly.  Feel free to ask such
questions openly on the list, feel free to request that they are answered
via the list.  We can make no guarantees that we can answer every question,
as we are sure that there are plenty to ask, but we will try our best.

If people feel that my services are not required, then I shall leave.  As
simple as that.

As a matter of fact, I'm tired of being flamed.

I hereby step down.  I resign myself from doing anything that can be
considered as helping the group.

If you want me back, ask nicely.  Until then, I'll be another one of those
fools asking "what can wireless do for me", rather than "what can I do for
the community with wireless".

Regards,
Tyson.

__________________________________

Tyson Clugg
email: Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au
phone: +61 3 9887 0117 (Home)
__________________________________

PS: Extra monies collected at the last meeting (total monies collected was
$99.50, hall cost was $50.00, extra monies are therefore $49.50) shall be
brought along to the next meeting, or forwarded to whoever decides to take
up organising the next meeting.  We probably won't fit into the scout hall
for much longer, and the insurance on other venues is expensive.  You will
need the cash.  I wish you good luck finding a venue, and the best of luck
organising the meetings.  Perhaps I might even turn up at one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Clae [mailto:clae13 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 8:39 PM
To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fwd: Committee Meeting

I strongly object to this kind of thing being organised by private
emails, without going through the public list.  I am not about to
become part anyone's "committee by appointment".

I therefore propose that the melbwireless community move at the next
meeting to establish genuine democratic process, for example, a
constitution, formal incorporation, offices and decision-making
procedures.

I also propose that this "committee" has absolutely no recognition
from the floor, until such time as a democratic process has ensued.

This kind of feral back-room branch stacking really gets my giddy goat.

Clae.

>X-From_: tyson.clugg at csiro.au  Thu Mar 14 21:20:39 2002
>X-Track: 1: 40
>X-Yahoo-Forwarded: from clae13 at yahoo.com to clae at tpg.com.au
>From: Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au
>To:
>Subject: Committee Meeting
>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:20:30 +1100
>
>Dear "Committee",
>
>We are having an impromptu meeting, to discuss various developments of this
>week.
>
>
>***Time***
>5pm Saturday March 16th 2002.  This time is not concrete - if you can't
make
>it, TELL me.  We NEED your input.
>
>***Location***
>O'Connell Reserve.
>
>***Duration***
>Between 2 and 4 hours.
>
>***Bring***
>Pen and paper.
>Your "everyday" laptop if you have one.
>Ideas for the next meeting (12th April 2002).
>Thoughts on what you would say to Senator Richard Alston if you were to
meet
>him and discuss current ACA regulations regarding broadcasting internet
>packets on community wireless networks.
>
>***Leave***
>Show and tell stuff, unless it is of importance to the "committee".
>Friends who would be better off attending the next general meeting.
>
>
>Regards,
>Tyson.
>
>PS: I refer to this group of people as the "committee", as I couldn't think
>of any other description for us at the moment.
>____________________________________________
>
>Tyson Clugg
>IT Services
>CSIRO - Molecular Science, Clayton
>phone (work): 03 9545 8117
>phone (home): 03 9887 0117
>email: tyson.clugg at csiro.au
>____________________________________________

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