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2.3 You may request Additional Users on your Telstra BigPond broadband
Service as set out in the Rate Card. By requesting Additional Users,
separate login, email account, on line usage reports and help desk support
will be provided for each of the Additional Users. You may vary the number
of Additional Users you have requested by contacting or calling the Customer
Service Centre. For the avoidance of doubt, references in this Agreement,
the Rate Card and the Acceptable Use Policy to usage of your Telstra BigPond
broadband Service will include usage by you and by your Additional Users.
2.4 If Additional Users are nominated, we will only provide support of a
connection for the Telstra BigPond broadband service to a single PC.
13.2 Additional Users means the ability to create additional user profiles
to access the Telstra BigPond broadband service via a single modem.
Cheers,
Tyson.
______________________________________________
Tyson Clugg
IT Services
CSIRO - Molecular Science, Clayton
phone: (03) 9545 2090
email: tyson.clugg at csiro.au
______________________________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: Agatha [mailto:agatha at processplant.com]
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 9:56
To: melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth issues for the future/internet acces s
Telstra & Optus both hate this. In fact if you read the (un)AUP, they both
state that you may not connect any network to the machine that has the cable
modem link. I have had battles with both these companies to do with exactly
this. It is irrelevant whether it is a winblows98 box with a second
winblows box attached, or a big fat Gb network, they don't like it and they
don't put up with it IF they find out. Which they generally don't.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rohan Fernando <mailto:rohanf at vic.bigpond.net.au>
To: melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org
<mailto:melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth issues for the future/internet acces s
Hi Michael,
No idea about the legalities (that's what lawyers are for) but here's a
suggestion.
A gang of cable modems could be established to provide the feed to the WLAN.
Admittedly there is an overhead to run it, but then someone has to pay for
the data anyway. Would first need to model the estimated data loadings
versus cost to run the modems to determine viability. Also probably require
H/W & S/W to load balance the modems ie keeping them all under the usage
cap.
Not sure how this conflicts with the overall objective to provide a free
service but, a very small annual subscription fee could be charged to all
WLAN users. This could provide economies of scale overall. Could use WLAN
monitoring to boot off / block anyone that abuses an WLAN AUP.
Suspect the underlying issue will be that if there isn't currently an
AUP/law against this application of cable modems, then there may soon be.
Regards,
Rohan Fernando
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bailey [ mailto:mbailey at enternet.com.au
<mailto:mbailey at enternet.com.au> ]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:49 AM
To: melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org
<mailto:melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org>
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth issues for the future/internet
acces s
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 02:39:40PM +1000, Barry Park wrote:
> My understanding is that:
>
> (i) Unless you have express consent from your ISP, feeding your Internet
> service into an open wireless connection will be against both the ISP's
> business model and possibly even the law.
I don't know of any law that prohibits you from letting your neighbour use
your internet connection. This isn't Napster. Not everything fun is illegal.
As far as ISP business models go, the right way to go would be to choose an
ISP that allows you to share your bandwidth. Read your AUP carefully and
even ask them. If your traffic usage rises too much, your ISP will probably
charge you more. So it will be up to you to manage it, just like the
hundreds
of mom and pop ISPs out there. There's not much difference.
- Mike
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<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Connecting multiple users to a single cable modem with Telstra is
allowable.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>After
carefully reading through my Telstra Bigpond Advance Powered by Cable AUP, I
found that I may connect my cable modem to a network, based on the fact that I
have multiple users on the one plan. And yes, I have had 2 users paid for
and connected 24/7 for the best part of 6 months now. See clause
5.6/5.7 in extract below.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From
<A
href="http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/support/aup.asp">http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/support/aup.asp</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001>
<P>5.6 Subject to clause 5.7, you must not connect another network, such as a
local area network, to the Service or allow multiple simultaneous users of the
Service. You may connect only one computer to the Service at any one time and
must not in any circumstances connect servers which transmit data to the
internet or cable or ADSL networks, such as ftp servers and chat servers.
<P>5.7 Where our Service offering provides an option to acquire multiple
simultaneous user rights for an additional fee and you select this option, then
you may connect the number of multiple users to the Service as authorised under
this offering, provided that you pay us the additional fee in respect of all
such users and such users only use the Service for residential or home use, and
not for a predominantly business or commercial purposes. </P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From
<A
href="http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/cable/products.asp">http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/cable/products.asp</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><STRONG>multiple user</STRONG> accounts -
more than one user can use the connection. <A
href="http://www.bigpond.com/Broadband/cable/pricing.asp">Additional charge
applies – see pricing plans for more details</A>. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From
<A
href="http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/cable/tandc.asp">http://www.bigpond.com/broadband/cable/tandc.asp</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001>2.3 You may request Additional Users on your
Telstra BigPond broadband Service as set out in the Rate Card. By requesting
Additional Users, separate login, email account, on line usage reports and help
desk support will be provided for each of the Additional Users. You may vary the
number of Additional Users you have requested by contacting or calling the
Customer Service Centre. For the avoidance of doubt, references in this
Agreement, the Rate Card and the Acceptable Use Policy to usage of your Telstra
BigPond broadband Service will include usage by you and by your Additional
Users. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001>2.4 If Additional Users are nominated, we
will only provide support of a connection for the Telstra BigPond broadband
service to a single PC. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001>13.2 <B>Additional Users</B> means the
ability to create additional user profiles to access the Telstra BigPond
broadband service via a single modem. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Tyson.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=888421400-26102001>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#808080
size=2>______________________________________________</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#808080 size=2>Tyson Clugg</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2>IT Services</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial color=#808080
size=2>CSIRO - Molecular Science, Clayton</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2>phone: (03) 9545 2090</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2>email: tyson.clugg at csiro.au</FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial
color=#808080 size=2>______________________________________________</FONT>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Agatha
[mailto:agatha at processplant.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 26 October 2001
9:56<BR><B>To:</B> melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth issues for the future/internet acces
s<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Garamond color=#000080>Telstra & Optus both hate
this. In fact if you read the (un)AUP, they both state that you may not
connect any network to the machine that has the cable modem link. I have
had battles with both these companies to do with exactly this. It is
irrelevant whether it is a winblows98 box with a second winblows box attached,
or a big fat Gb network, they don't like it and they don't put up with it IF
they find out. Which they generally don't.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rohanf at vic.bigpond.net.au
href="mailto:rohanf at vic.bigpond.net.au">Rohan Fernando</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org
href="mailto:melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org">melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 26, 2001 9:22
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth
issues for the future/internet acces s</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Michael,<BR><BR>No idea about the legalities (that's what
lawyers are for) but here's a<BR>suggestion.<BR><BR>A gang of cable modems
could be established to provide the feed to the WLAN.<BR>Admittedly there is
an overhead to run it, but then someone has to pay for<BR>the data anyway.
Would first need to model the estimated data loadings<BR>versus cost to run
the modems to determine viability. Also probably require<BR>H/W & S/W to
load balance the modems ie keeping them all under the
usage<BR>cap.<BR><BR>Not sure how this conflicts with the overall objective
to provide a free<BR>service but, a very small annual subscription fee could
be charged to all<BR>WLAN users. This could provide economies of scale
overall. Could use WLAN<BR>monitoring to boot off / block anyone that abuses
an WLAN AUP.<BR><BR>Suspect the underlying issue will be that if there isn't
currently an<BR>AUP/law against this application of cable modems, then there
may soon be.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Rohan Fernando<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Michael Bailey [<A
href="mailto:mbailey at enternet.com.au">mailto:mbailey at enternet.com.au</A>]<BR>Sent:
Friday, October 26, 2001 3:49 AM<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org">melbwireless at melbwireless.dyndns.org</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] bandwidth issues for the future/internet<BR>acces
s<BR><BR><BR>On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 02:39:40PM +1000, Barry Park
wrote:<BR>> My understanding is that:<BR>><BR>> (i) Unless you have
express consent from your ISP, feeding your Internet<BR>> service into an
open wireless connection will be against both the ISP's<BR>> business
model and possibly even the law.<BR><BR>I don't know of any law that
prohibits you from letting your neighbour use<BR>your internet connection.
This isn't Napster. Not everything fun is illegal.<BR><BR>As far as ISP
business models go, the right way to go would be to choose an<BR>ISP that
allows you to share your bandwidth. Read your AUP carefully and<BR>even ask
them. If your traffic usage rises too much, your ISP will probably<BR>charge
you more. So it will be up to you to manage it, just like
the<BR>hundreds<BR>of mom and pop ISPs out there. There's not much
difference.<BR><BR>- Mike<BR><BR>--<BR>To unsubscribe, send mail to <A
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