[MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

Thu Jul 14 23:37:26 EST 2005

Hi Callan,

Thanks for trying to save me money but ISA wont cost me anything, I'll
let you in on a little known secret (even people in the IT space spend
too much money on software)

Microsoft Action Pack

http://www.microsoft.com/australia/partner/salesmarketing/actionpack/def
ault.aspx

This is the worlds greatest open secret. Basically if you are a
registered company, you can go to the MS website and sign up as a
reseller/consultant whatever and then subscribe to the MS action pack.
Technically you shouldn't be using this software for operations but it
works just fine (you also cant onsell it).

But for $699 you get almost any piece of Software Microsoft release for
your own use. Including multiple licenses for the obvious ones like XP
Pro etc.

So in my house I have windows SBS 2003 premium, exchange, sharepoint, 4
pc's running winxp, all of the office apps (including access, project,
visio etc), man it would have cost me more on retail pricing for the
xp/office alone.

MAP subscriptions rock.

The only thing in there they don't offer is their telco sip server
offering (I'd love to do multi-party video conferencing in house - at
the moment I do voice on asterisk), they do however offer LCS so you can
do a closed server messenger service etc.

Cheers,

Dean

________________________________

From: Callan Browne [mailto:callan at weedog.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 8:11 AM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

Sorry dean, I've been off work and my head isn't together

Yes u can use  ISA server to forward it internal, same as any firewall.

But my suggestion was running both the webserver off of your router
directly, one on port 80 (iis) and the other on port 81 (lnx)

Have the iis server forward your requested host header to the linux
server at port 81.

The end result is that all packets are not forwarded through the iis
server, but directly from your router to the linux box, cause the client
is now looking for your domain on port 81. even tho they will not be
aware of this.

ISA does work better, I was just trying to save you $1000 or whatever it
is worth.

________________________________

From: Dean Collins [mailto:Dean at collins.net.pr] 
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 9:30 PM
To: Callan Browne
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

Callan,

Host header routing allows me to redirect to a 'share' on a windows
network but not a linux share (yes you could redirect off to another
domain but if I had another ip address this wouldn't be a problem in the
first place so not sure what your suggestion is about port 81?)

Isa my understanding forwards (not redirects) to an internal ip address
on my network.

We'll see in a week though.

Cheers,

Dean

________________________________

From: Callan Browne [mailto:callan at weedog.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:46 PM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

Hi Dean

I'm running ISA server as well, and I don't know exactly how that will
help you, but get the product and go from there.

The redirect should would to any machine, internal or external, Windows
or linux based.

It it just a webpage that redirects you to the correct site, nothing
fancy just some simple HTML.

In the text tho, you must use the full address:

Ie:

http://www.mydomain.net:81 <http://www.mydomain.net:81/> 

or whatever it is that you want to redirect to. 

With this method tho, you are doing nothing more than pointing the
server to a new website, so the host header value should not need to be
redirected, it's the client's PC that is being re-directed

Does that make any sence?

One more thing I've found is that SBS does have some items limited in it
(due to the cost being so much lower than buying the products
individually), I'm not sure if IIS is one of them, I hope not, but I
have never sold SBS PREMIUM (the one that includes ISA) as a web server
before.

Also, I'm not sure what sort of router you have, but for some reason if
I use my external IP from inside my network I get worse than dial up
performance. (netgear FR114P a few years old, but one of the few that
did SPI and NAT at the time). So just make sure u test internally and
externally, cause every now and then it will work better from outside
your network.

Regards

Callan Browne

________________________________

From: Dean Collins [mailto:Dean at collins.net.pr] 
Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 1:31 PM
To: Callan Browne; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

Hi Callan,

The host header value doesn't seem to be able to be redirected to a
linux box from the sbs 2003.

Having said that I have just placed an order for the sbs2003 SP1 with
ISA 2004.

It means it will be at least another 10 days before I get it installed
but will solve all my problems so thanks for your suggestions, I'm just
stunned there isn't a workaround for this.

________________________________

From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Callan Browne
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 9:44 PM
To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

If you are using IIS that comes with windows 2003 (sbs should be tbe
same, I'm using enterprise server) you can forward your request to
another server.

One way to do this, is using port 81 for you linux server, and have it
work externally on port 81.

Then setup a new website on your iss box, and put in your new hostname
into the "host header value"

You might also want to put the domain without the "www" at the start,
just to cover all bases,

Once you have done this, under "Home directory" you can redirect your
website on port 81, which will forward onto your linux server

Just make sure port 81 is setup for forwarding from your router to the
linux machine.

Not 100% ideal, but will only take minutes to setup and should work
without a problem.

________________________________

From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Fenn Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:05 AM
To: 'Mathew McKernan'; 'Dean Collins'; 'Brenton D.'
Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au; syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

Yup,

Matthew's got it in one here. mod_proxy will let you do this (I also use
it to mix between linux/apache and windows/IIS servers on a single
IP:port combo), but I'm not sure about IIS.

The other option is a proxy server that supports reverse proxying (HTTP
load balancing), such as squid - It's possible there's some other proxy
software that's easy/windows friendly that can also do this.

Cheers,

    Fenn.

________________________________

	From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Mathew McKernan
	Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:45 PM
	To: 'Dean Collins'; 'Brenton D.';
syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com
	Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
	Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

	Hi all,

	I can see what Dean is trying to do here, but I don't believe
IIS supports it. It appears you want to do a proxy to your internal
apache server based on the host header. I know apache can do it using
mod_proxy... I have been using it for years for a number of servers held
internally in the LAN in a school, i.e. weather station server, library
catalogues. Mainly because they are all Windows boxes, and we only have
2 linux boxes on the net with public IPs all doing web hosting / mail
handling. Trust me its funny when netcraft comes back with Windows IIS
6.0 running on Linux 2.4 :-)

	I will ask some guys at work in regards to your issue Dean, but
I wouldn't hold my breath to solve the issue.

	Maybe put the Linux box on the net with the external IP and run
the SBS box internally and use apache's mod_proxy to forward
www.cognation.net <http://www.cognation.net/>  and www.collins.net.pr
<http://www.collins.net.pr/>  to the SBS box?

	Thanks

	Mathew

________________________________

	From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Dean Collins
	Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:26 PM
	To: Brenton D.; syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com
	Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
	Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

	No it is not a problem with port 80. I am successfully hosting
my 2 sites www.cognation.net <http://www.cognation.net/>  and
www.collins.net.pr <http://www.collins.net.pr/>  on the sbs 2003 server
fine, I just need to know how to redirect www.aussienymeetup.net
<http://www.aussienymeetup.net/>  to my linux apache server.

________________________________

	From: Brenton D. [mailto:ivile01 at yahoo.com.au] 
	Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 8:58 AM
	To: Dean Collins; syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com
	Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
	Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

	might have to forward port 81 to the Linux box?

	Optusnet blocks port 80 too

	Thanks Brenton

	ivile01 at yahoo.com.au | ivile at ivile.bur.st
	http://bur.st/~ivile (waveguides) | http://ivile.bur.st |
http://ivile.bur.st/ivile/64/ (my car)
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		----- Original Message ----- 

		From: Dean Collins <mailto:Dean at collins.net.pr>  

		To: Brenton D. <mailto:ivile01 at yahoo.com.au>  ;
syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com 

		Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au 

		Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:15 PM

		Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

		It has it's own domain that is being redirected by
www.no-ip.com to the sbs server hanging off my cable modem.

		But no it doesn't have it's own ip address.

________________________________

		From: Brenton D. [mailto:ivile01 at yahoo.com.au] 
		Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:30 AM
		To: Dean Collins; syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com
		Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
		Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

		does the Linux server have a pubic ip?

		or just a private one?

		Thanks Brenton

		ivile01 at yahoo.com.au | ivile at ivile.bur.st
		http://bur.st/~ivile (waveguides) | http://ivile.bur.st
| http://ivile.bur.st/ivile/64/ (my car)
		http://www.melbourne.wireless.org.au/users/?ivile

			----- Original Message ----- 

			From: Dean Collins <mailto:Dean at collins.net.pr>

			To: syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com 

			Cc: melbwireless at wireless.org.au 

			Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:06 PM

			Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] OT - but I need help

			I know this is OT but I need help and I figure
some of the gurus in here probably know their way around both linux AND
windows.

			I have a new website application that wont run
on windows, currently I host 
			my own company domain (and a smaller private web
site selected by host 
			headers) on my sbs 2003 server, this new website
will be hosted on a new 
			linux server.

			I have purchased a linux server and it is now
connected to my lan (cable 
			modem - sbs server 2003 with two nics, 1
external & 1 internal - 16 port 
			gigabit switch) it is accessible now from within
my lan by both internal ip 
			address and web domain name (enabled using dns
pointer).

			I know how to set up a web site in the www root
folder of sbs 2003, I also 
			know how to redirect it to the web folder of
another windows machine but I 
			don't know how to redirect it to the web folder
of a linux machine.

			Currently if you go to www.newwebsite.net the
internet name servers points 
			it to the ip address of my sbs 2003 server via
www.no-ip.com (which works 
			great for my main domain (and smaller private
domain) etc that are running 
			on the server).

			But this newwebsite is running on a linux server
on my lan with the internal ip 
			address of 192.168.16.15

			When I type in http://192.168.16.15 it works
great,
			When I type in
http://linuxserverip.company.local it works great as well

			And finally
			When I type in www.newwebsite.net it works fine
for me because my dns knows 
			to point to http://linuxserverip.company.local
However if you type that in 
			from outside my lan it fails.

			How do i redirect to a linux webserver on my
domain using iis 6.0 and sbs 2003??

			Cheers,
			Dean

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