[MLB-WIRELESS] Legal question

[Winder]

 Think you are comparing apples and oranges there. There is a difference big
difference in the roles of both deivces. One is supposed to prevent access
and one is supposed to give it out. However, if a firewall was broadcasting
out all of the information needed to connect to this backdoor, and then
doing it for you with no effort on your part then I would see that as a yes.

 I would like to see the law define what is an open access point and what is
not. And I do not mean someone giving you permission or not. Something like
what was mentioned in a previous post. Some wireless indication of public or
private is needed wether that be a domain name, an SSID or WEP etc vs
nothing at all.

 Considering that we are supposed to be running an free open access public
network, we might actually be helping to blurr the lines about what is open
access and what is not. Some newbie user might connect to someones private
AP and use it thinking that it's this new u-beaut free melbourne wireless
thingy he's been reading about and get them into trouble. They would turn
around and drag us into it.

 Also, what's to stop a mebourne wirless member deciding that he does not
give a certain person that lives up the street that they dislike for some
reason, permission to access their node? Then later, claim this person never
asked for permission and therefore are breaking the law if they do connect
to it? What's MW's stance on this? Are their guidelines etc that we have on
this sort of restriction?

 Wireless networks are pushing the boundries in the community, and the law
needs to move with it I think. But IANAL.

Regards,
g at z.












-----Original Message-----
From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of rick
Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2004 4:52 PM
To: Winder; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal question


so if someone had a firewall that has a backdoor to it, is it legal to use
that backdoor?

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Winder
Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2004 4:33 PM
To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal question


If people don't want me to connect to their unsecured, IP address granting
open APs, then don't send the signals into my house! ;)

 But seriously, I'd like to see clarification in the law. It's not like you
are making an effort to connect to this stuff if you can see it from your
own house. But it is if you have to take any out of the ordinary steps, like
even having to move your laptop.

 If someone knows enough about wireless networking to report you to the
police for accessing their AP, then they should know enough to secure it. If
I was a judge I'd have a dim view of the person reporting the infringment in
that case. "secure your AP f00l, and stop baiting people" .... and to the
user....."don't do it again".

 Guess it's lucky I'm not a judge, hey :)

Regards,
g at z.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of rick
Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2004 4:16 PM
To: Steven Haigh; Jason X; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal question


a network is liek a house, just becouse there is a welcome mat(dhcp) and a
open door (no wep) doesnt mean its legal to enter the house and use the
toliet (looking at scat porm)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]On Behalf Of Steven Haigh
Sent: Sunday, 30 May 2004 2:13 PM
To: Jason X; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal question


I think the main reason for legal/illegal is your intent. Yes, if you break
a WEP key, then you are breaking into the network and showing intent...

If it auto-connects, and it is your intent to break/abuse a network, then
it's illegal. If you opened up your notebook, and went "oh, it says I have
net access" and browsed a few pages, then I doubt you'd get into trouble for
it.

It all depends on your intentions.

--
Signed,
Steven Haigh

I am root. If you see me laughing, you'd better have a backup.
Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. -
Jim Horning.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason X" <jxuereb at optushome.com.au>
To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Legal question


> Say you are on your laptop and suddenly your laptop connects to an AP gets
> an IP address and this AP is bridged to the Internet and you are able to
> surf the Internet. Is this illegal? as you are accessing someone elses
> network, even though they issued you the IP Address and allow you onto
> their
> network?
>
> I'd assume cracking a WEP key and gaining entry into the network would
> come
> under hacking or intrusion of some sort but what about in this case, with
> an
> open AP?
>
> Do you need express permission to gain access to any network?
>
> Cheers
> Jason
>
>
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