[MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing

Stygen stygen at wafreenet.org
Wed Jan 15 18:27:47 EST 2003 

Mailing lists are for discussion IMHO, not decision making.  So I am not
surprised you didn't get the feeling of people jumping up and down to
volunteer for anything.

Armed with information you could do a couple of things..

1) visit http://www.wafreenet.org/?page=network to look for a few ideal
candidates for a VPN tunnel.  There is a connection map linked from that
page too.  It needs a bit of work, but at least gives some structural
information that could be of use.

2) use the nodeDB ( http://www.nodedb.com/australia/wa/perth/? ) to look
for contact details for the AP you are interested in setting up a link
with.  Or follow links to the AP homepage (if they have one) to look for
contact details there.

3) Be aware of wafreenet etiquette (outlined here..
http://www.wafreenet.org/AP/citrusnet/pages/wafreenet.html ).  Basically
you should set up tunnels with the actual AP, rather than a client of an
AP.

[This is for WaFreeNet, I am sure the ideal procedure for other states
would be similar.]

This would be much more effective than using a public forum to set
something up.  You will also find people are more helpful when contacted
directly by someone who knows what they are talking about.

It is posible to setup irc only links right now, such traffic is only
very small, and even if the traffic is not free, it is not enough to
worry about.  IRC channels where only users of free wireless networks
are permitted to join, are very informative.  A lot more would be
achieved than using public forums.  

-Stygen

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au 
>[mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Steven Haigh
>Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 2:30 PM
>To: stygen at wafreenet.org; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing
>
>
>I'll ignore the flamebait, there's been enough on this list lately...
>
>I wasn't unhappy with the information, but the fact that 
>nobody would even try to consider the option...
>
>Maybe iinet won't do it for home subscribers, but maybe if 
>somebody approached them, then they might do something 
>special... it's still internal traffic, and very cheap for the 
>ISP to run - not to mention great publicity...
>
>Chances are, we'd still have to pipe the data out from the 
>ISP's premises at our expense, either via WiFi, or one of the 
>ISP's connections...
>
>I think that it's very viable to do - but you need someone on 
>the other end of the link to take steps too - and I couldn't 
>find anyone to even consider the possiblilty in Perth...
>
>Signed,
>Steven Haigh
>http://wireless.org.au
>(Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stygen" <stygen at wafreenet.org>
>To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:12 PM
>Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing
>
>
>> Eh?  What mentality was that?
>>
>> Is your dislike of Perth based on jeuvenile jealousy? Or is it 
>> somewhat founded by basing your opinion of a population on that of a 
>> few people in Perth.  We would not think much of a population if we 
>> were to judge them by your comments.
>>
>> Can I guess that you were unhappy with the 'Perth mob' informing you 
>> that interstate traffic through iinet is NOT free?  iiNet provides 
>> free bandwidth for traffic destined to iiNet customers in the same 
>> state. They also provide free bandwidth to destination IP's 
>using the 
>> same state internet exchanges such as WAIX and SAIX but not between 
>> then.  I would be happy to link the wireless freenet's via a VPN or 
>> CIPE tunnel if the bandwidth were free, but at this stage I don't 
>> think it is.  If you can suggest a free medium I will set the tunnel 
>> up myself.
>>
>> So was the 'mentality' you didn't like realism or common sense?
>>
>> -Stygen
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Steven Haigh
>> >Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 8:36 AM
>> >To: Matthew Hill; Melbourne Wireless
>> >Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing
>> >
>> >
>> >I actually suggested iinet while attempting to put the idea to the 
>> >perth mob, but due to their mentality, I'm not going to persue it 
>> >with the perth crowd anymore.... I don't have the willpower 
>to put up 
>> >with them.....
>> >
>> >My main focus now is on trying to link, as was suggested before, 
>> >Geelong -> Melbourne, Melbourne -> Sydney etc...
>> >
>> >Anyone know of some friendly ISPs in Geelong that have a major 
>> >presence?
>> >
>> >Signed,
>> >Steven Haigh
>> >http://wireless.org.au
>> >(Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.)
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Matthew Hill" <matthew.hill at matthewhillonline.com>
>> >To: "Melbourne Wireless" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:27 AM
>> >Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Interstate meshing
>> >
>> >
>> >> Steven.
>> >>
>> >> IInet is a good adsl isp and established in WA NSW and VIC ??
>> >>
>> >> Just a thought.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> Matthew Hill
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matthewhillonline.com - Matthew Hill Online 
>> >> http://www.matthewhillonline.com/motorsport - Matthew Hill 
>> >> Motorsport
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optusnet.com.au>
>> >> To: "Jason Tedesco" <jtedesco at request.com.au>;
>> >> <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:59 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: [Syd-Wireless] World's 
>Longest Wi-Fi
>> >> Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > About a month ago, I jumped into the perth chat room to bounce 
>> >> > the idea
>> >of
>> >> > trying to get a free link between melbourne and perth
>> >using a major
>> >> > ISP
>> >> that
>> >> > has a major point of presence in both cities... The idea
>> >is that the
>> >> > ISP would have lots of internal bandwidth, and an already 
>> >> > existing network structure in operation...
>> >> >
>> >> > Unfortunatly, the perth boys just laughed it up saying
>> >"you'll never
>> >> > get anything free" and "let me know when you're in the
>> >real world" -
>> >> > I say
>> >> their
>> >> > loss....
>> >> >
>> >> > I think we have a good chance of trying to get a major ISP to 
>> >> > sponser us into doing something like this.... They can 
>use QoS to 
>> >> > set our data at
>> >the
>> >> > lowest possible priority (hence we get their 
>"idle-time") on the 
>> >> > link
>> >and
>> >> > therefore not get anywhere near commercial service, but enough 
>> >> > for what
>> >we
>> >> > want....
>> >> >
>> >> > The main reason that the ISP should already exist in 
>both cities 
>> >> > would
>> >be
>> >> > that the cost to the ISP of running this VPN link over their 
>> >> > "idle-time" should me almost nothing (read maybe an extra $1 in 
>> >> > power over a
>> >year)....
>> >> >
>> >> > Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
>> >> >
>> >> > Signed,
>> >> > Steven Haigh
>> >> > http://wireless.org.au
>> >> > (Visit https://wireless.org.au to install our Root Certificate.)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Jason Tedesco" <jtedesco at request.com.au>
>> >> > To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:59 AM
>> >> > Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: [Syd-Wireless] World's
>> >Longest Wi-Fi
>> >> > Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > > 310km...wow can we do better? it looks like it could
>> >solve a lot
>> >> > > > of problems. could it?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Instead of just doing something like this better, we
>> >could make it
>> >> better
>> >> > by using linking up Melbourne wireless and Sydney wireless.  Has
>> >anything
>> >> > like this been discussed? ( And I don't mean just a few 
>E-Mail or 
>> >> > irc sessions saying it's a good idea).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: Matthew Hill [mailto:matthew.hill at matthewhillonline.com]
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 8:49 AM
>> >> > > To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>> >> > > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: [Syd-Wireless] World's Longest 
>> >> > > Wi-Fi Connection Made by The Swedish Space Corporation
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Gudday
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Might be of some interest...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: "STANLEY Dax" <Dax.Stanley at Tenix.com>
>> >> > > To: <syd-wireless at lists.sydneywireless.com>
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:24 AM
>> >> > > Subject: [Syd-Wireless] World's Longest Wi-Fi Connection Made 
>> >> > > by The
>> >> > Swedish
>> >> > > Space Corporation
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >http://www.alvarion.com/RunTime/CorpInf_30130.asp?fuf=281&type=
>> i
>> > > > > tem
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 310km...wow can we do better? it looks like it could solve a 
>> > > > > lot
>>
>> > > > > of problems. could it? 
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