[MLB-WIRELESS] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) ( anyone else get this? )

[Toliman]

At 10:33 AM 14/01/2003, Craig Sanders wrote:
>On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 09:36:58AM +1100, Jason Clarke wrote:
> > It's more along the lines of setting up the MW mailing list to mung
> > the headers so that I / people don't have to reply-to-all to get it
> > back to the list.
>
>ok, you're talking about Reply-To munging, which is a completely
>different and unrelated issue.
>
>it's also a brain-damaged and broken thing for a mailing list to do.
>for info, see:
>
>http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> > It's only out of habit I use reply-to-all and check the addresses
> > listed, but many don't. YOU didn't.
>
>that's because it's a matter of preference.

[sic]

>if there's a solution (i.e. using a non-broken mail client) to a problem
>and you choose not to implement that solution then you really have no
>cause to complain.  you can't expect anyone else to care much about your
>problem if you don't care enough to bother to fix it.

I'd like to remind regulars and non-regulars that we have this discussion 
on a monthly basis, it might be prudent to be forwards about being 
backwards with the reply-to on the mail-list.

if you agree that, Yes it is backwards, then you should also be aware that 
a large majority of lists are mangling their email, to do it the wrong way. 
what does that mean ? people like to do things that work, not they way they 
are "supposed" to.  after a few years of beating your head against the 
wall, you must recognise function as a priority, alongside familiarity and 
dominance. its not the best way to do something, but that's the challenge 
of designing useful things -- getting people to actually use them.

the argument for & against is rarely rehashed a different way in each 
iteration, but it's coloured by one small fact. simply put, we all use 
"broken" mail clients because they work; and they work the way we are 
familiar with.

It's not because they are functional in one person's mail client, or 
perfectly suited to standards dictated by a committee, or by casting a 
rudimentary preference vote between 3 people in a 500 member mailing list. 
it just doesn't happen.


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