[MLB-WIRELESS] FW: [Syd-Wireless] [Wireless] Bandwidth Proposal/Structured networks Article (fwd)

Mon Feb 3 21:15:58 EST 2003

Very true, and its the one point we're majorly stuck on.

There are some members learning OSPF (ie. Andrew), but generally speaking,
there is a lack of knowledge in regards to advanced routing.

I personally like Ben's ideas on QoS and stuff (*cough* mojo* *cough* - if
we had archives, check back to early last year :-P), although i'd forsee
practical problems in implementing it. (how to make sure it's used, if its
a complicated process to setup us plebs would be lost, etc)

A installer/debian package/rpm that set everything up by asking relevant
questions and stuff would be cool...

.. that, or we get everyone to pay $50/year memberships fees, and we use
the money to develop a small box/AP that has multiple links and does the
routing automatically :) .....

James

Original Message:
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From: Steven Haigh netwiz at optusnet.com.au
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:26:49 +1100
To: a_neb at optushome.com.au, melbwireless at wireless.org.au
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] FW: [Syd-Wireless] [Wireless] Bandwidth
Proposal/Structured networks Article (fwd)

The one thing is, there is no set routine that all nodes can stick to.... It
all depends on the physical setup...

Some people may have to use adhoc mode, some AP mode, some bridge mode to
get it working best as possible...

I doubt we can come up with a set procedure to set up all nodes by...

that being said, as long as the routing goes well at the software level,
then it shouldn't matter too much what mode the actual wifi setup is in - as
the routing will work the same no matter what.....

Signed,
Steven Haigh
http://wireless.org.au
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You can lead a fool to wisdom but you can't make him think.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Anderson" <a_neb at optushome.com.au>
To: <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] FW: [Syd-Wireless] [Wireless] Bandwidth
Proposal/Structured networks Article (fwd)

>
> Oh... my...god...
>
> How much effort does one go to to get such a simple concept across *lol*
>
> That solution likely won't scale as the person who's owning each umbrella
is
> talking probably 500-1000 bucks to supply service to people around them..
> the number of people willing to make this sort of committment to a
community
> project so far has been lacking, what makes you think it'll improve?
>
> We need a dynamic fine-grained mesh capable software layer (doesn't exist
> currently)...  We also then need a QoS layer to distribute the bandwidth
> available in not only a fair way, but in a way that encourages people to
add
> more bandwidth to the mesh (yes, basically $ for service - more bandwidth
> you supply to the mesh, better access you get).  Leaf node leechers are
> totally welcome, however due to the QoS, people who supply nothing, and
suck
> down bandwidth can't reduce the service level of the network to sub-modem
> speeds for people who supply bandwidth to the mesh.
>
> The problems even worse than the calculations he makes, as CSMA/CD with
> point to multi-point like that will make the medium almost unusable as it
> approaches around 70% saturation (I'm guessing it's even less than this --
> this number is for 10mbit wired csma/cd lan's).
>
> Every time I've pointed out these problems, and suggested a solution that
> will scale, I wind up with monkeys jumping up and down yelling "we want it
> free, ugga bugga" beating their chests, etc.  If you are feeling excitable
> and hairy, >/dev/null...  Feel free to email me directly if you're not one
> of these monkeys, and the list becomes monkey-saturated...
>
> Live long and prosper,
> Ben.
>
> >
> > below is an email from the Tassie list, with a link to a proposal on how
> to
> > structure a wireless MAN.
> >
> > Just f00d for thought..
> >
> > James
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:16:03 +1100 (EST)
> > From: David Hall <dhall1 at ids.org.au>
> > To: wireless at tas.air.net.au
> > Subject: [Wireless] Bandwidth Proposal/Structured networks Article
> >
> > It's been a while since there has been some serious wireless discussion,
> > and now that Net Fish has had the time to upload a little proposal I
have
> > written to help reduce the bandwidth limitations of wireless, I would be
> > interested to see what others think and hear some constructive
criticism.
> >
> > You can read the proposal/article here:
> > http://tas.air.net.au/tech/bandwidth.htm
> >
> > And I have made a new forum topic here for your replies:
> > http://forums.tas.air.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=101#101
> >
> > hallz
> > David Hall
> > dhall1 at ids.org.au
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