[MLB-WIRELESS] So how does this routing bit work?

[Ben Anderson]

> > > seattlewireless, consume, free2air and other groups are testing
various
> > > tunnelling (GRE, L2TP,PPTP, IPsec) and routing protocols (OSPF, AODV)
> and
> > > dynamic systems (mobilemesh, mobile IP, RSIP, etc) their application
> over
> > > public access wireless infrastructures.
> >
> > I know, I've looked at all the projects I could find that were already
> > going...  I'm dissapointed in all of them so far.
>
> Why? They get the job done, and in some cases, do it very well.

Which ones in your opinion solve the problem well?


> > > Agreed. I think that OOTB is best, and the medium term solution lies
in
> > > agreement on how existing packages can be implemented and configured
to
> > > achieve our goals.
> >
> > Sure, but that's not where my interest lies.  I want ubiquitousness, and
> > existing packages don't, and are unlikely to, solve the problems in the
> way
> > I desire.
>
> At this point you must accept that what you desire is not necessarily what
> the group desires, or what is best for the group at the moment. Right now,
> it looks like we have 3 active links, and only static routing. Obviously,
> there are also no issues with congestion.

I don't think my long-term ubiquitousness goals conflict with the groups
short-term goals.  I encourage the short term development, and I think the
people who want short term development should recognise the usefulness of a
long-term plan, and encourage long-range thinking on potential issues.


> When we do get into dynamic routing and 100% utilisation of links, there
are
> packages available that can help out. What's so wrong with using them?
Your
> case involves completely replacing TCP/IP, and I'm not sure you see the
> enormity of this task.

Which packages help out?
I'm not talking about completly replacing tcp/ip -- far from it.  I'm
talking about adding to the layers below IP.  Replace the data-link layer,
keep ip and everything above the same.  Though there will be use in using
information from layer 3/4 in the switching (routing) at layer 2.

> > If we went from a dozen nodes to ten thousand overnight, I seriously
doubt
> > that organisational demand could be satisfied on a volunteer basis...
>
> Now there's an exaggeration and a half, especially from someone who is
> talking about fallacies in logic.

What part do you think I'm exaggerating about?  The likelihood of the
network to scale to 10000 overnight, or the amount of organisational demand?

I've been trying to develop technical solutions to allow the network to
scale without the central organization, and incorporate a positive feedback
to the social side of the network to encourage high rate growth in the
network where it's needed the most.

Ben.