[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: PunkNet - was Re: Node x is over this way -was- Applications

[Jon]

1.  stop CC'ing me   8-]  8-] 8-]  pleasssssee!!!!
2. its probaby the space in the name.

i'll change its name.......done

http://central.warehouse.net/jon/PunkNet.rtf


cheers!

jon



Ben Anderson wrote:

> Page is dead.
>
> Ben.
>
> > Oh!
> >
> > And I forgot to add:
> >
> > Tear into it - any comments or IDEAS, please put them up!
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > Jon wrote:
> >
> > > Ok all, time for this.
> > >
> > > If you feel in the mood for reading a lengthy, in-progress White Paper,
> go for
> > > it:
> > >
> > > http://central.warehouse.net/jon/PunkNet Defined.rtf
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > Clae wrote:
> > >
> > > > >  > Please excuse me if this is one of those questions that was
> answered
> > > > >>  in like 1670 by an arthritic frenchman with a slide rule.
> > > > >
> > > > >It isn't too far dissimilar to the travelling salesman problem ;)
> > > >
> > > > least-path analysis
> > > >
> > > > >  > what if each node was assigned a unique prime number, and it is
> > > > >  > multiplied by  the primes of each node it can see...  ....
> > > > >
> > > > >It's possible, sure.  But the number gets **rediculously large** as
> you
> > > > >scale to large numbers... Just think about a million different prime
> > > > >numbers, all multiplied together...  and now propegate that around
> the
> > > > >network every 10 seconds to deal with nodes roaming around.  Run out
> of
> > > > >bandwidth, don't we ;)
> > > >
> > > > darn those roaming nodes :-)
> > > > i have a hunch there's a way around that,
> > > >
> > > > >   is it essential that network
> > > > >  > _location_ be that secure, as opposed to content and _personal_
> > > > >>  identity?  besides, we don't have to factorise for unknown primes,
> > > > >>  just simple division
> > > > >
> > > > >Even if the guy in the black mask doesn't know my real name, I don't
> want
> > > > >him kneecapping me as I go to check the snail-mail.
> > > >
> > > > yeah but it's not a meatspace location anyway, and i have some vague
> > > > thoughts about hiding each hop in the chain
> > > >
> > > > >  > or can we exploit six-degrees here, ie "has anyone seen brian
> today?"
> > > > >  > (echo echo echo) give up.
> > > >
> > > > >  and stop passing the
> > > > >hello on after x hops.  Which means nodes beyond x don't know of that
> nodes
> > > > >existance, and can't talk to that node.
> > > >
> > > > but a small number of long-range links that leapfrog over the shorter
> > > > mesh links dramatically improve the mutual knowledge in the network.
> > > >
> > > > >Hopefully I haven't rained on your parade enough to discourage you...
> Some
> > > > >interesting ideas, the primes one actually had me thinking for a few
> minutes
> > > >
> > > > and your replies ditto
> > > >
> > > > maybe a hybrid of the primes method and the six degrees,
> > > > multiplication and passing of primes restricted to x/2 and "where is
> > > > brian" requests ditto...  then you don't have a million primes
> > > > multiplied together, just a few thousand over here, a few thousands
> > > > over there...
> > > >
> > > > >  > ps mojo =  bandwidth as currency?
> > > > >
> > > > >Not quite...  it makes sense to reward people who run proxy servers
> with
> > > > >mojo as well, as they can arguably add more bandwidth availability to
> the
> > > > >network by caching stuff.
> > > > >Mojo is just some magic number in a database somewhere (though I want
> it
> > > > >distributed, with strong encryption to protect the little cookie like
> > > > >objects).
> > > >
> > > > much like an anonymous digital currency
> > > >
> > > > >Hopefully that last paragraph doesn't confuse you too much...
> > > >
> > > > still digesting
> > >
> > > --
> > > I've played piano in a whorehouse.  I've smuggled secret papers out of
> > > Russia...I've taught a gangster mob how to play Pinchie Winchie, sat on
> the floor
> > > with Greta Garbo, horsed around with the Prince of Wales, played
> ping-pong with
> > > George Gershwin.  George Bernard Shaw has asked me for advice.  I've
> basked on
> > > the Riviera with Somerset Maugham and Elsa Maxwell.  I've been thrown
> out of the
> > > casino at Monte Carlo.
> > >
> > >        - Harpo Marx
> >
> > --
> > I've played piano in a whorehouse.  I've smuggled secret papers out of
> Russia...I've
> > taught a gangster mob how to play Pinchie Winchie, sat on the floor with
> Greta Garbo,
> > horsed around with the Prince of Wales, played ping-pong with George
> Gershwin.
> > George Bernard Shaw has asked me for advice.  I've basked on the Riviera
> with
> > Somerset Maugham and Elsa Maxwell.  I've been thrown out of the casino at
> Monte
> > Carlo.
> >
> >        - Harpo Marx
> >
> >
> >
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--
I've played piano in a whorehouse.  I've smuggled secret papers out of
Russia...I've taught a gangster mob how to play Pinchie Winchie, sat on the
floor with Greta Garbo, horsed around with the Prince of Wales, played ping-pong
with George Gershwin.  George Bernard Shaw has asked me for advice.  I've basked
on the Riviera with Somerset Maugham and Elsa Maxwell.  I've been thrown out of
the casino at Monte Carlo.

       - Harpo Marx



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