[MLB-WIRELESS] Page 2 of today's age

[Clae]

At 12:57 PM +1000 8/7/02, Tyson.Clugg at csiro.au wrote:
>Should Melbourne Wireless post an article on our front page stating that we
>feel cracking is illegal and frowned upon?  Should we make the distinction
>between information gathering and dissemination (ie: warchalking) and
>malicious actions (ie: cracking)?

I think a short statement of purpose would be a good permanent 
addition to the front page, with a link to a fuller explanation.  It 
should be obvious at first visit who we are and what we're doing.  At 
the moment it's not entirely clear.
It would also be good to bring the n00b relevant links - who we are, 
getting started, FAQ etc, higher up the page.

>
>I think we need to be clear to those that are sensationalising the issue
>that we do not condone cracking (or 'hacking' as they incorrectly refer to
>it), and that regardless, the intent of warchalking is not malicious.
>
>One problem that I foresee is that if Melbourne Wireless is associated with
>warchalking, then we will be seen by the general community as being a group
>of 'hackers' who have little respect for the law - regardless of what we do.
>This is the media, they are out to make a buck from stories they publish -
>sensational stories of 'extremist' groups (as they may perceive us,
>correctly or not) sell.  Should we simply stay quiet and wait until
>everything blows over?
>
>My opinion: We should make a media release stating that we do not condone
>'cracking' or any other illegal activities.  We should not give credit to
>the notion that warchalking is in any way illegal, and should be careful
>that our statement can not be construed as being an endorsement of
>warchalking.  Your thoughts?

Yes to a press release.

>
>Regards,
>Tyson.
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>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Craig Mead [mailto:craig.mead at pagesmith.com.au]
>>  Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 12:44 PM
>>  To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
>>  Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Page 2 of today's age
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Andrew Dean" <ferni at shafted.com.au>
>>  To: "Robbie Werner" <rwerner at bigpond.net.au>;
>>  <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
>>  Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:43 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Page 2 of today's age
>>
>>
>>  | You forget what the real definition of a hacker is -
>>  someone who snoops
>>  | around and gains access to networks/systems without intent of damage
>>  etc....
>>  | a cracker is someone who will mess up
>>  networks/files/servers whatever....
>>  I
>>  | would classify more what most MW people do Hacking rather
>>  than cracking,
>>  we
>>  | search for open networks as a hobby, and see how far we can
>>  get... but I
>>  | would be appalled if any of the MW group actually did do
>>  any damage to any
>>  | network they gained access to....
>>
>>  Go out and ask anyone on the street wether "hacker" is good, or bad.
>>
>>  IMO, ~ 95% will say bad.
>>
>>  Those other 5% will either be hackers themselves, or in the IT field.
>>
>>  Ask them what the difference between a hacker and cracker is,
>>  and they won't
>  > be able to tell you.
>  >
>  > Buzz words.
>  >
>  > As incorrect as they are.
>  >
>  >
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David Clae Gason
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