[MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry

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and i am willing to get a job to donate to AP's in melb
:) just cous i dont think we need memberships doesnt mean i dont want to
help out


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Collins" <dean.collins at bigpond.com>
To: <dsaab at saabenterprises.com>; "'Clae'" <clae at tpg.com.au>;
<melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Cc: <wgstructure at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry


> David, how many people do you see spending the $1000 for an AP? If
everyone
> feels that you can get the density required with just people buying their
> own then that is great BUT it seems like these costs are better to be
shared
> over a number of member rather than just single individuals.
>
> Dean
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au]  On Behalf Of David Saab
> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2002 2:12 PM
> To: 'Clae'; melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> Cc: wgstructure at wireless.org.au
> Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry
>
> Actually,
>
> I have changed my position in this.
>
> I don't want to be paying my fees, so that an executive few is going to
> be in control of the money, and spending it on what and how they want.
>
> To quote the new mission statement:
>
> "We do not aim to make money - as all funds raised are directly invested
> back into the network either for operational costs or
> expansion/improvement of current coverage or services."
>
> Why can't we raise money on each item that we want developed? This means
> that the group has some control on what ends up being raised for?
>
> As for examples of groups charging fees, lets take a long hard look at
> this. There is always some corruption about how the money is spent in
> small numbered organisations as clubs, and we are talking about a whole
> another kettle of fish here. (We could end up talking about thousands of
> dollars.)
>
> Why can't we keep to the people themselves build the nodes they want,
> and interconnect with who they want?
>
> Isn't this all a way to get control to an elite few?
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Clae
> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2002 5:30 AM
> To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> Cc: wgstructure at wireless.org.au
> Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry
>
> Further to the discussion about our relationship with Sydney, their fees
> etc.
>
> In light of the current Federal inquiry into broadband wireless, I
> believe it would be a good idea to be forming alliances, not breaking
> them at this point.  It is vital that the amateur/community/hobby
> wireless movement in Australia presents as united a front as possible
> to this inquiry.  If we spend all our time squabbling with other
> groups about who's a profiteer, and who is the most community minded,
> we will end up looking like a total waste of time to the feds.
>
> In fact, I think it would be a good idea to have a national
> representative body for the wireless freenet movement, outside and
> above the control of any of the regional networks.  This body should
> be disconnected from the operation of any actual networks, and
> operate solely as a lobbying voice on a national level, and to
> facilitate communication and co-operation between networks.
>
> I would like to point out that charging fees does not make AWA a
> profit-making business.  A co-op or association can charge whatever
> fees they see fit, they are simply forbidden from distributing any
> excess above operating costs as profit to members or shareholders.
> Any excess must be put back into the organisation.  Even your local
> footy club charges fees.  If the directors of a co-op or ass'n were
> found to be distributing profits, they could be charged with a crime
> under the appropriate act.
>
> Let's not dismiss the Sydney crew until we know more.  I believe
> their answer on the message board more than adequately counters each
> of the criticisms levelled at them.
>
> I won't even get into the discussion about whether _we_ should be
> charging a fee. :-)
>
> Clae.
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