[MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry

[rick]

ok times for comments from the peanut gallery and my vews on money and
wireless

i belive fun raiseing events, ie bbq at meets with dollar sausages and all
that are all well and good, this well help with things like hireing lawyers
paying for busniess lunchers with people we need to have lunches with, ect
ect

im unemployed, i am poor(ish), i dont expect handouts(thou lending of eq so
i can fool around for a weekend would be nice), and i dont think we can(when
i mean we i mean ME) afford to go the same way sydney goes (doesnt mean its
a bad way just dont think so atm) i know if i had a spare set of eq for a AP
i would helpout people who where in need of it, and i would like to say and
bleave most of you would do the same.

i think of this group more as a communitie, i belive people of this group
are willing to do there part not just have 3 people all do it for them. as
long as we all walk the same way arnt we helping eachother?, someone may be
walking faster than others, but as long as there are the people who lend
people a hand we can all achive out goals

WORLD DOMINATION! oh i mean a wireless melb :)

rik

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Saab" <dsaab at saabenterprises.com>
To: "'Clae'" <clae at tpg.com.au>; <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Cc: <wgstructure at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: [MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry


> Actually,
>
> I have changed my position in this.
>
> I don't want to be paying my fees, so that an executive few is going to
> be in control of the money, and spending it on what and how they want.
>
> To quote the new mission statement:
>
> "We do not aim to make money - as all funds raised are directly invested
> back into the network either for operational costs or
> expansion/improvement of current coverage or services."
>
> Why can't we raise money on each item that we want developed? This means
> that the group has some control on what ends up being raised for?
>
> As for examples of groups charging fees, lets take a long hard look at
> this. There is always some corruption about how the money is spent in
> small numbered organisations as clubs, and we are talking about a whole
> another kettle of fish here. (We could end up talking about thousands of
> dollars.)
>
> Why can't we keep to the people themselves build the nodes they want,
> and interconnect with who they want?
>
> Isn't this all a way to get control to an elite few?
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> [mailto:owner-melbwireless at wireless.org.au] On Behalf Of Clae
> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2002 5:30 AM
> To: melbwireless at wireless.org.au
> Cc: wgstructure at wireless.org.au
> Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Sydney, AWA, fees, inquiry
>
> Further to the discussion about our relationship with Sydney, their fees
> etc.
>
> In light of the current Federal inquiry into broadband wireless, I
> believe it would be a good idea to be forming alliances, not breaking
> them at this point.  It is vital that the amateur/community/hobby
> wireless movement in Australia presents as united a front as possible
> to this inquiry.  If we spend all our time squabbling with other
> groups about who's a profiteer, and who is the most community minded,
> we will end up looking like a total waste of time to the feds.
>
> In fact, I think it would be a good idea to have a national
> representative body for the wireless freenet movement, outside and
> above the control of any of the regional networks.  This body should
> be disconnected from the operation of any actual networks, and
> operate solely as a lobbying voice on a national level, and to
> facilitate communication and co-operation between networks.
>
> I would like to point out that charging fees does not make AWA a
> profit-making business.  A co-op or association can charge whatever
> fees they see fit, they are simply forbidden from distributing any
> excess above operating costs as profit to members or shareholders.
> Any excess must be put back into the organisation.  Even your local
> footy club charges fees.  If the directors of a co-op or ass'n were
> found to be distributing profits, they could be charged with a crime
> under the appropriate act.
>
> Let's not dismiss the Sydney crew until we know more.  I believe
> their answer on the message board more than adequately counters each
> of the criticisms levelled at them.
>
> I won't even get into the discussion about whether _we_ should be
> charging a fee. :-)
>
> Clae.
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