[MLB-WIRELESS] AWA

[Anderson, Steven]

Voting can still be anonymous (if required) as long as you are a voting
member.
If you are a member, you get a ballot.
What you put on the ballot is then up to you, but no registration, no ballot
and no vote.
Yes people know you have voted, but not the way you voted.
That would cover the issues you raised.

I think this is a system that gets quite widely used ;-P

Regards,

Steven Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: rick [mailto:mibz at optushome.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2002 11:30
To: melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA


people might be thinking the voteing system should be anomyous

i think it sould not be personaly

this way it is easyer to prove who voted what and no double votes ect ect


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>
To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA


> When drafting the policy proposal, this was debated at great length...
>
> We ended up agreeing, that because it is a public network, and not a
members
> only type thing, then we're never going to know exactly who or how many
> members we have... We are not going to restrict on people that connect to
> the network as a whole, and as such, we don't know who will access the
> network from day to day.
>
> Are the people that just use the network occasionally on a "because it's
> there" basis then members? how do we track them down?
>
> One idea that was raised is that we have an online "Voting Members"
> database. This would require you to enter your name, address, phone number
> etc, and also entitle you to one vote. Now this eventually could be used
for
> online voting, proxy voting, meeting votes etc - but we are not at a stage
> at this specific point in time to make that happen... This is our main
> driving force behind getting at least a structure approved and running on
> Friday. The other details can be altered according to the policy...
>
> Signed,
> Steven Haigh
>
> The Internet was designed by the American Military back in the late 60's.
It
> was designed to be a decentralised information delivery system so that in
> the event of a nuclear attack, American Military leaders would still have
> access to pornography.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rick" <mibz at optushome.com.au>
> To: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>;
> <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
>
>
> > not vote per nod, vote if you are attached to a active nod (max one
vote)
> >
> > and this meeting i will take down a roll call which will be kept for the
> > meeting commitie and will be avalible to other commities after filling
out
> a
> > c4 form in tripplicat and then a j17 form and posting it to every one
who
> > possibly may have went to the meeting
> >
> > or i will just keep it on a zip disk, which is ever easyer
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>
> > To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> >
> >
> > > Not exactly that easy...
> > >
> > > a) We don't have a record of who has attended the meetings
> > > b) define some sort? Registered? Running? Building? one vote per node?
> > this
> > > will give one person more than one vote - not exacly fair...
> > >
> > > Signed,
> > > Steven Haigh
> > >
> > > The Internet was designed by the American Military back in the late
> 60's.
> > It
> > > was designed to be a decentralised information delivery system so that
> in
> > > the event of a nuclear attack, American Military leaders would still
> have
> > > access to pornography.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rick" <mibz at optushome.com.au>
> > > To: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>;
> > > <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>; "Clae" <clae13 at yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> > >
> > >
> > > > i know its simple but
> > > >
> > > > a> people who have attended meetings
> > > > b> people who have a nod of some sort running,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>
> > > > To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>; "Clae" <clae13 at yahoo.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:25 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > One thing that struck me when I was consulting people regarding th
is
> > > > > decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > * How do we define our members? *
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, is it our mailing list? Is it our node database? Is it a
> members
> > > > list
> > > > > somewhere? Is it the MelbWirelessPeople list on the Wiki?
> > > > >
> > > > > I simply couldn't answer this question. I then consulted who I had
> > seen
> > > > > contribute the most. We still have no clear definition of members.
> We
> > do
> > > > > however have the idea to have an "electoral database" of sorts
where
> > > > people
> > > > > wishing to vote on issues register as Voting Members - which would
> > > enable
> > > > > proxy voting etc... This is outside the scope of what we are
trying
> to
> > > > > implement on Fridays meeting, but will follow in the near future.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you can see from the policy draft just posted
> > > > > (http://www.wireless.org.au/~netwiz/policy.htm), our aims have not
> > > > changed.
> > > > > We have made clear in this policy draft exactly what we mean by
Free
> > > > Public
> > > > > Broadband. Until now, this has not been spelt out in black and
> white.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed,
> > > > > Steven Haigh
> > > > >
> > > > > The Internet was designed by the American Military back in the
late
> > > 60's.
> > > > It
> > > > > was designed to be a decentralised information delivery system so
> that
> > > in
> > > > > the event of a nuclear attack, American Military leaders would
still
> > > have
> > > > > access to pornography.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Clae" <clae13 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:06 AM
> > > > > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > It semms to me that the decision, right or wrong, to not
affiliate
> > > > > > with AWA was made without recourse to the bulk of the members of
> > > > > > wireless.org.au.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to me that AWA are still working out their operating
> > > > > > principles, and it is premature of us to make such a stance.  My
> > > > > > impression of reading the above is that they are
well-intentioned,
> > > > > > and that their description of themselves as a "closed" network,
> when
> > > > > > read in context, was an attempt to clarify their legal position
> vis
> > a
> > > > > > vis internet traffic, which may be made redundant in light of
> > further
> > > > > > communication from the relevant departments about the carrier
> > license
> > > > > > requirements on non-profit groups.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to me that the broader membership of melbwireless will
be
> > > > > > much more likely to get involved in admin and tech work if these
> > kind
> > > > > > of decisions are discussed publicly before they are made.  It is
> > > > > > somewhat disconcerting to see this kind of announcement come out
> of
> > > > > > the blue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not a technical issue, it involves our goals and our
> > > > > > relationship with another group, so it is quintessentially the
> kind
> > > > > > of decision which should be opened up to the mailing list and/or
> > > > > > meetings for discussion, as it involves all of us, and our
> > > > > > representation to another group.  I applaud the fact that it is
> > > > > > tabled on the agenda for the next meeting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  From their reply: "any decision of large proportion must be
voted
> > > > > > upon by the member base"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clae.
> > > > > >
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