[MLB-WIRELESS] AWA

[rick]

people might be thinking the voteing system should be anomyous

i think it sould not be personaly

this way it is easyer to prove who voted what and no double votes ect ect


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>
To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA


> When drafting the policy proposal, this was debated at great length...
>
> We ended up agreeing, that because it is a public network, and not a
members
> only type thing, then we're never going to know exactly who or how many
> members we have... We are not going to restrict on people that connect to
> the network as a whole, and as such, we don't know who will access the
> network from day to day.
>
> Are the people that just use the network occasionally on a "because it's
> there" basis then members? how do we track them down?
>
> One idea that was raised is that we have an online "Voting Members"
> database. This would require you to enter your name, address, phone number
> etc, and also entitle you to one vote. Now this eventually could be used
for
> online voting, proxy voting, meeting votes etc - but we are not at a stage
> at this specific point in time to make that happen... This is our main
> driving force behind getting at least a structure approved and running on
> Friday. The other details can be altered according to the policy...
>
> Signed,
> Steven Haigh
>
> The Internet was designed by the American Military back in the late 60's.
It
> was designed to be a decentralised information delivery system so that in
> the event of a nuclear attack, American Military leaders would still have
> access to pornography.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rick" <mibz at optushome.com.au>
> To: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>;
> <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
>
>
> > not vote per nod, vote if you are attached to a active nod (max one
vote)
> >
> > and this meeting i will take down a roll call which will be kept for the
> > meeting commitie and will be avalible to other commities after filling
out
> a
> > c4 form in tripplicat and then a j17 form and posting it to every one
who
> > possibly may have went to the meeting
> >
> > or i will just keep it on a zip disk, which is ever easyer
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>
> > To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> >
> >
> > > Not exactly that easy...
> > >
> > > a) We don't have a record of who has attended the meetings
> > > b) define some sort? Registered? Running? Building? one vote per node?
> > this
> > > will give one person more than one vote - not exacly fair...
> > >
> > > Signed,
> > > Steven Haigh
> > >
> > > The Internet was designed by the American Military back in the late
> 60's.
> > It
> > > was designed to be a decentralised information delivery system so that
> in
> > > the event of a nuclear attack, American Military leaders would still
> have
> > > access to pornography.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "rick" <mibz at optushome.com.au>
> > > To: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>;
> > > <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>; "Clae" <clae13 at yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> > >
> > >
> > > > i know its simple but
> > > >
> > > > a> people who have attended meetings
> > > > b> people who have a nod of some sort running,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz at optushome.com.au>
> > > > To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>; "Clae" <clae13 at yahoo.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:25 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > One thing that struck me when I was consulting people regarding th
is
> > > > > decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > * How do we define our members? *
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, is it our mailing list? Is it our node database? Is it a
> members
> > > > list
> > > > > somewhere? Is it the MelbWirelessPeople list on the Wiki?
> > > > >
> > > > > I simply couldn't answer this question. I then consulted who I had
> > seen
> > > > > contribute the most. We still have no clear definition of members.
> We
> > do
> > > > > however have the idea to have an "electoral database" of sorts
where
> > > > people
> > > > > wishing to vote on issues register as Voting Members - which would
> > > enable
> > > > > proxy voting etc... This is outside the scope of what we are
trying
> to
> > > > > implement on Fridays meeting, but will follow in the near future.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you can see from the policy draft just posted
> > > > > (http://www.wireless.org.au/~netwiz/policy.htm), our aims have not
> > > > changed.
> > > > > We have made clear in this policy draft exactly what we mean by
Free
> > > > Public
> > > > > Broadband. Until now, this has not been spelt out in black and
> white.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed,
> > > > > Steven Haigh
> > > > >
> > > > > The Internet was designed by the American Military back in the
late
> > > 60's.
> > > > It
> > > > > was designed to be a decentralised information delivery system so
> that
> > > in
> > > > > the event of a nuclear attack, American Military leaders would
still
> > > have
> > > > > access to pornography.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Clae" <clae13 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <melbwireless at www.wireless.org.au>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:06 AM
> > > > > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] AWA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > It semms to me that the decision, right or wrong, to not
affiliate
> > > > > > with AWA was made without recourse to the bulk of the members of
> > > > > > wireless.org.au.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to me that AWA are still working out their operating
> > > > > > principles, and it is premature of us to make such a stance.  My
> > > > > > impression of reading the above is that they are
well-intentioned,
> > > > > > and that their description of themselves as a "closed" network,
> when
> > > > > > read in context, was an attempt to clarify their legal position
> vis
> > a
> > > > > > vis internet traffic, which may be made redundant in light of
> > further
> > > > > > communication from the relevant departments about the carrier
> > license
> > > > > > requirements on non-profit groups.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to me that the broader membership of melbwireless will
be
> > > > > > much more likely to get involved in admin and tech work if these
> > kind
> > > > > > of decisions are discussed publicly before they are made.  It is
> > > > > > somewhat disconcerting to see this kind of announcement come out
> of
> > > > > > the blue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is not a technical issue, it involves our goals and our
> > > > > > relationship with another group, so it is quintessentially the
> kind
> > > > > > of decision which should be opened up to the mailing list and/or
> > > > > > meetings for discussion, as it involves all of us, and our
> > > > > > representation to another group.  I applaud the fact that it is
> > > > > > tabled on the agenda for the next meeting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  From their reply: "any decision of large proportion must be
voted
> > > > > > upon by the member base"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clae.
> > > > > >
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