[MLB-WIRELESS] Re: GLL To GLO Ta GHO

[Ryan]

Seroisly are we the only people that want to connect to gho? Because i know
alot of people who live were they cant get broadband and can easly see GHO
all a wanna really do share broadband i mean comon not like its ganan make
the link unusable, i think this will promote wireless groth more than a
piontless node that everyone can see "for testing perposes". what is it
acculy the perpose of this testing; distance? woopy i connected from 50km
away, but id be great if i could use my 50km link.

>rik said >the main reson is i dont think darren has spent all this money
just for you
2 get a link with your friend when he would rather want to help a greater
number of people.<END>

Im also willing to share my broadband with mw i also spent my time setting
up a wirelesslink that anyone can leach, ill upgrade my hardware if it gets
bogged down. its just like i pay for my website and dont get no money for
it, i think melbourne wireless is for giving and sharing.
some of you blokes ont understand were im comming from ill take a few
pictures from my mast in 360* and then you will see what i mean by cant
connect to someone else to create a hop. And another question with all due
respect what did darren spen his money on? try to break the world record for
distance testing? Id understand more if darran would enable gho with mac
filtering for him self and a few mates. I'm sure you guys have ya resons for
putting it there hopfully, some one will tell me? Are we waiting for more
groups to stumble it then open it to selected people/groups?
later - Ryan

Please dont comment on my spelling i wrote this fast

----- Original Message -----
From: <andrewg at d2.net.au>
To: <mibz at optushome.com.au>
Cc: <mrviper at softhome.net>; <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MLB-WIRELESS] Re: GLL To GLO Ta GHO


> Okay, to mebe change the way Rik has said this, here is my attempt at
> clearing things up:
>
> GHO-|
>     |- mrviper
>     |- mrviper's friend
>     |- City
>     |- RG Southern
>     |- Someone who connects to 2 other people
>
> As we know, you don't get 11MBPS, more around like 5.5Mpbs actual.
>
> So, specifically on those AP connections, it is likely that you and
> your friend will use more bandwidth, and provide no benefits to other
> people around you, thus resulting in less usable links.
>
> So, looking at the positivies and negativies:
>
> - GHO is open to everyone:
> Pros:
> - It provides an easy connection method.
> - Can go around trees, buildings.
>
> Cons:
> - Having this does not promote network growth.
> - The amount of bandwidth that can be used is significantly
> dropped, possibly flooding off links that are useful to more
> people than yourself and your friend.
>
> - GHO allows only certain connection:
>
> Pros:
> - Provides more motivation for people to create links between
> themselves and others, this in turn:
> - Creates greater community networking. You get to know
>   the people you are linking to.
> - Provides for a more resilient network, which in turn
>   provides a more usable network, for all involved.
>
> * motiviation in the sense of we can link eventually to a system, this
will
> link them to us, and vice versa. Amongst other things.
>
> Cons:
> - People will say its there, and why can't they use it.
>   or, Will inconvience people who think the amount work they
>   did deserves use of anyones node who is trying to facilitate
>   network growth by supplying links to people which would take
>   longer than to happen naturally via small, consistent links.
>
>   This may self contridactory, however, read over it again,
>   and think about it, and you'll find it is not.
>
>
> So, with regards to more links is better for the network, lets look
> at it this way...
>
> ABC - GHO
> DEF - GHO
> GHI - GHO
> JKL - GHO
> MNO - GHO
> PQR - GHO
> STU - GHO
>
> or alternatively,
>
>       / ABC -> DEF             [ Fear my asci art skills. Just gotta hope
>      /   |   \> GHI --\        [ comes out correct for everyone and the
> MNO      |             GHO!    [ mail server doesn't break it. ;)
>      \   STU \        /        [
>       \       \      /
>        \ JKL -> PQR /
>
> The network with more links in it is more resiliant to failure, and
> provides more bandwidth to people.
>
> More bandwidth = More usable
> More resistant to single point of failures = more usable
>
> So, in essence, the question can be put to you that, do you want a link
> between yourself and your friend that relies on one node (and hence on
> point of failure), or multiple links?
>
> In general, most people need to feel they are getting something out of the
> wireless networking to see that there is point, however, with all networks
> like this, it generally takes time, until you can just plug it in, and it
> works.
>
> Hope this makes things clearer,
> Andrew Griffiths.
>
> P.S I am kindof in favour of special cases, depending on the needs. Oh,
and
> how politely the person asked :)
>
> > the main reson is i dont think darren has spent all this money just for
> > you 2 get a link with your friend when he would rather want to help a
> > greater number of people
> >
> > and as i said before you have 3 other people active and 28 people
> > intrested why not ask them for help?
> >
> > or, why not get $900~ and host a second AP+AMP+Waveguide(tuned to
> > channel 1 ofcourse) then you will need a ups $100~
> >
> > there you go, or find someone whos intrested in wireless who you both
> > can see and get a 140$ ap and a 80$ omni and a box and some ethernet
> > 60$ and link up thru that location?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mrviper at softhome.net>
> > To: "Melbwireless" <melbwireless at wireless.org.au>
> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:27 PM
> > Subject: [MLB-WIRELESS] Re: GLL To GLO Ta GHO
> >
> >
> >> SOrry to piss yas all off but....
> >> Why cant gho allow some connections , have mac filitering or somthing
> >> if they dont wanna get bogged down i seriously dont understand someone
> >> please draw a diagram :> i know its probly temp so we make most of it?
> >> its the only node i can probly connect to everyone else is obstucted
> >> by trees or is to low. ive spent like heapsa me pocket money on this
> >> $%^$ and im so frustrated, no one does anything every day im up on me
> >> roof
> > extending
> >> me pole or moving it arround not yet a resualt. Feel free to send your
> > abuse
> >> to me.
> >>  - Ryan
> >>
>
> [ snip ]
>
> >> > We got zebra going between node FUS and FZJ last night.
> >> > DCH and FNZ will be configuring it today.
> >> >
> >> > Innernorth > *
> >> >
>
> Hey, didn't I supply help? so that means,
>
> Southern > Innernorth > *
>
> Because without the southern group, there wouldn't be me (chances are) and
> poissibly less ospf stuff :)
>
> :. Southern Rules.
>
> >> > <RANT>
> >> > ARRRG QUOTED MATERIAL ABOVE YOUR RESPONSCES PEOPLE.
> >> >
> >> > and trim it.
> >> > </RANT>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Grant Diffey aka "nevyn"
>
> Agreed, its damn annoying. :)
>
> Specially those signatures which are 70% of the persons contribution (I
> have a feeling the other mail didn't arrive now ;))
>
> - andrewg
>
>
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